In this episode, Jared interviews Jenny Peters, a multi-instrumentalist and Fulltime Music Academy member, who recently launched Chicago Elegant Piano and booked her first gig. Jenny shares her journey from teaching and running a ukulele business to diving into the world of high-end gigs. She reveals how she set up her act, created a marketing strategy, and embraced networking and venue tours to establish her presence in the Chicago music scene. Learn from her practical tips on building a website, crafting a sizzle reel, and keeping your repertoire relevant for today's audiences.

"Nobody will know you exist unless you show them—and that means putting yourself out there through video, a website, and real-world connections."

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What's up, gigging Musicians? Welcome back to another episode of the Gigging Musician podcast. I am your host, Jared Judge, normally based in Denver, Colorado, but today I am in Phoenix, Arizona and I'm actually joined by a very special guest, somebody who was the first to take me up on that offer I made a couple episodes ago where I invited any musicians on this who are listeners of this podcast or just within my world to raise their hand and say, I want to be featured on The Gigging Musician Podcast. This is Jenny Peters.

Welcome, Jenny. How are you? I'm doing great. Awesome.

And Jenny Peters is actually one of my full time music academy members who recently started a very brand new act in Chicago, Illinois called Chicago Elegant Piano. And I'm happy to congratulate her on booking her first gig. So congratulations, Jenny.

Tell us about this first gig that you just booked and played on Friday. Yeah, well, the gig was in Oakbrook, Illinois, which is about 50 miles from Highland Park, Illinois, so there was quite a bit of travel. I had done gigs before when I was younger, but usually there had been, you know, instruments at the gig.

If it were piano or I was playing violin or I was playing ukulele. This time I'm playing digital piano. So I bring a digital piano, bring the stand, I bring the bench, bring all the various things you plug in, including extension cords, and I had a mic stand.

I also had my sound system. So learning to get all that to my car was step one. Learning to take that out of my car and set it all up was step two.

There was an accident on the highway on the way there, which, you know, happens, but I had allotted for it, so I got there. By the time I was set up, it was about 15 minutes before I was scheduled to play. So I didn't feel rushed, but I felt like, yeah, this is it.

You do have to be really plan a lot. Part of what you're learning is not only your skill as a musician or your skill as someone who provides music, but it's also your organization, your equipment, being on top of everything that you're doing. So that, that those things, I mean, I kind of knew I would learn those things because I've done some gigging in the past, but I haven't done it with the digital piano.

And so there were all kinds of new things that I learned. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.

Well, I'm glad the gig went well. You made it on time and it sounds like the gig went great. Let's backtrack just a little bit.

Tell us a bit about yourself because you have a very diverse background. Multi instrumentalist, teacher, business owner, cruise ship musician. Why don't we start from the beginning? Tell us about you.

Well, I was born. No, I won't go that far back. But yes, I grew up playing piano and violin.

As a child, I started on piano. I started violin when I got into the school orchestra system. So then when I went to college, I majored in piano performance, but I minored in violin.

We weren't allowed to officially minor, but I did take lessons all the way through, played an orchestra. So when I first graduated from graduate school, I came up to Chicago and I wanted to try to make it as kind of a gigging musician doing accompanying and chamber music and teaching. Really wasn't able to figure out the financial part of it.

I was able to figure out the playing part of it. And I played with wonderful musicians, including people from the Chicago Symphony. But every time I rehearsed with them and paid them, I ended up losing lots and lots of money by the time I learned my piece part on the accompaniment.

And there was not really much of an audience that was really. So it just was not working out financially. So at around that time, I decided to go back and get a teaching certificate because I had been private teaching and I wanted to have hours that were more regular, that were during the day.

So I went back and got a teaching certificate. And for 25 years I taught in public schools and I taught classroom music for pretty much kindergarten through eighth grade. And I also taught orchestra.

And I've always been. My first love has always been performing and it's also been creative performing and improvisation and composition. I've also composed a lot of music for string orchestra.

Along the way, I picked up the ukulele and my sister and I created a business called. It was called 21 Songs in Six Days at that time. It's now called Learn Ukulele the Easy way.

We've written eight ukulele books. We have one that most of the books are self published. One of the books is published by a publisher chose publishing.

It's called Ukulele for All. We sold the business when we both decided to retire. And so I'm still doing some contracting for the person who bought the business on ukulele.

And that's how I got the cruise ship gig. So. So I really have three main instruments that I consider myself to be somewhat expert in, which is piano, violin, fiddle, and ukulele.

I've picked up a little bit of bluegrass fiddling along the way too. And I also Teach people how to jam and do a fair amount of jamming myself. So that's my diverse background.

If it has strings on it, I probably can play it. That's awesome. I love that.

Theory and philosophy. Wow, that is an amazing background. And you said something that I think is going to resonate with a lot of listeners, which was, you know, figuring out the monetary piece is difficult, which kind of led you to getting a teaching certificate and starting all these other ventures.

Why do you think that is, that it's so difficult to figure out the financial piece of being a gigging musician? Well, we're not trained when we go to college, when we go to school, we're told, well, if you really love it, you'll just do it. Or we'll tell, that's awesome that you play these instruments. But really difficult to make a living.

We're basically told it's impossible to make the living. And so you kind of. At least I kind of internalized that.

And I sort of figured that there were really two places where there were a guaranteed, you know, traditional kinds of jobs. And one was being in a symphony orchestra. I wasn't good enough to do that.

I'd be violent. And the other one was being a teacher. And that's the path that I did follow.

And I also really did enjoy the kids and enjoyed, you know, what I taught them, and I enjoyed the composition process. And I still do private teaching. So I'm not saying that it's a bad way, but performing is what I really was trained to do.

It's what I really love to do. And just the idea of running your music as a business, it's almost like you. At least when I was in school.

Of course, I'm older than you are, but it was almost like that was considered. You weren't supposed to even think about it because it wasn't considered proper. It was considered like you were selling yourself short.

You know, there was this whole idea of art music is different than commercial music. And that's kind of a false dichotomy. Yeah, I agree.

In fact, you know, someone I love and respect so much, a great musician, recently posted a post. I don't remember if it was a private post or just a public. They said the minute you do something for money, God leaves the room.

Which I know you're shaking your head, and I did, too. And this is somebody I respect so much. I have not, you know, I don't want to butt heads with them, but I feel like the opposite is true.

Like, if we're able to fund our creative pursuits and passions with the money we make for our creative pursuits and passions. That makes the circle turn a little bit faster. I feel like that's fulfilling our purpose instead of like you have to suffer to be an artist.

I don't. I don't think that's a good mindset. What do you think about that? I agree with you completely.

It's not a good mindset. I mean, my husband's an attorney. Nobody tells him to work for free.

Now attorneys do pro bono work, and my husband does pro bono work. And doctors do pro bono work, and there's charitable organizations such as Doctors Without Borders. I'm not saying that nobody else does pro bono work, but it's as almost as if we're expected to do that and that that's part of what we chose when we chose this field.

And I. I think it's fine that we should be giving from time to time to causes that we believe in, but I don't think we should base our whole business model on that. And I guess, I mean, Charles Ives apparently did as a great American composer.

He was an insurance salesman and he died very young of a heart attack is my recollection, and had a lot of stress because he really, I guess, believed that his music shouldn't be funded. He's one of America's greatest composers. And to me, that just seems tragic that somebody who contributed that much and was so important in our music history kind of bypassed the financial model.

I mean, it's just. It's something, I think that. And I do think it's changing.

I think now when people go to college to study music, I don't know very many people who, you know, the word on the street is the performance major is dead, basically, are going to be either in ad or music business. And you might have a performance performance plus music business or performance plus music ad. And that makes more sense.

I mean, in the great symphony orchestras that some people get into or the. Or the military bands, there, there's just not that many positions available. I mean, nobody else goes thousands of dollars into debt just to be one of 200 people who might get a job.

Yeah, that's fair. I always say, like saying that I'm going to win a symphony audition is kind of like saying I'm going to win that spot on the New York Yankees or the Chicago Cubs. Yeah, it's.

It's that difficult. And the people on the street don't know that you mentioned to them, like, oh, why don't you try out for the Chicago Symphony, like, it's like getting a spot in the Chicago Cubs. They're like, it can't be that hard.

I'm like, yeah, it's that hard. And the people who get it are awesome musicians. And I think that's wonderful.

And all power to them. But yeah, enough for there it and they're just isn't enough for everybody. And there's lots of good musicians who be able to finance our careers.

That's reasonable. Yeah, exactly. And I think a lot of musicians are unwilling to kind of explore other possibilities, which is why, you know, Charles, I was insurance salesman.

It's like there's a middle ground that we can step into that doesn't involve just being in the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, which to me is a great segue into you starting a new venture. So tell us a bit about this new business you started, why you started it and what your goal is with this new business. Well, my new business is called Chicago Elegant Piano.

And because I am, my first instrument really is the piano. Even though I have all this other background, it makes sense. I really love playing the piano.

But the other thing I love doing is returning to some of my roots of jazz. I studied jazz piano for five years with Alan Swain, who was a wonderful teacher in Chicago. And with improvisation and with figuring out creating music to fit the mood of the situation.

Of the situation. Because when you do a piano cover of say, Pink Pony Club, which I learned recently, you're trying to create the mood of what the other people are there for. You're trying to.

If you're playing at a wedding during the ceremony, you might want to be calm and reflective. But then when it's time for the party to begin, you want to play more upbeat music. Also, weddings are chances where people from many different generations and two families are blending.

So it can be very awkward when meeting people you've never met before. Music can provide a beautiful social lubricant and the musician can read the room and can provide music that makes the. Makes what it's all about happen and make it be beautiful and provide a soundtrack to it.

Where if you're using pre recorded music, it may or may not fit, maybe too loud, maybe too quiet. A live musician is much more able to use their intuition to try to just make the whole thing sing for everybody. And that's one of the things I find from having been a teacher for all these years, when I was teaching classroom music in particular, not every kid wanted to be there every day and they had to come anyway because classroom music is when their regular teacher is meeting with other teachers and doing planning.

So if they didn't want to be there and they wanted to be bouncing basketballs, they certainly let me know what they wanted to be doing. And it was my job to take their energy and to take their passions and their excitement and channel it into something that the whole class could do together as a community. And that's one of the things that live music can do better than just about anything else.

Wow, you, you are very good at selling your yourself and marketing your. Your music. Even just on that, you know, two minute talk about what you guys do.

I'm curious, where did you acquire the skills of marketing and promoting music in such a concise way? Well, my sister and I, as I said, had this business that we ran for, I think around 10 years. It was called the books were 21 songs in six days. They're on YouTube, they're on Amazon.

And one of the things that when we first started, I was the creative and the writer and a music arranger and the teacher, and she did everything else that became pretty unequal at a certain point. And we had some business coaching. And later I became the person who did a lot of the social media and wrote a lot of the emails later in the game.

And as I learned how to do that, that's how I learned to really think about what I was doing. Because in that business, we were working for people to actually learn music and play it with other people and create community within their own communities and within their own homes. Okay, no, that's.

You. You mentioned like quite a few things that I think would be helpful for a lot of musicians. Why did you have to learn those skills for that business? Well, we wanted to make money and sell books.

And so I guess the natural question is before that, was cash flow not great that you had to learn those skills? Was that. Yes, the business did great for about two years. Then we almost had to close it down because we were losing money.

And we did hire a business coach, and our business coach really helped to articulate what it was we needed to do. The other thing is, I knew we had a good product because I'd used it with my students and I'd used it teaching. And I knew that people who responded to the YouTube videos really loved it.

And I also had done reviews on competing products. And I at the time, I'm not sure if this is true anymore, but at the time, my product was the easiest book out there. So it was something where people could successfully self teach, where if somebody was writing a book would come from guitar background.

They might skip some steps that beginners wouldn't necessarily. But because I taught third graders, I knew the things people could trip up over. And you know, of course you worded differently when you're talking to adults, but you want to.

And so I knew the product was really good and I knew it just needed to be seen. And if it were seen, it would be successful. But it doesn't.

Nobody, it doesn't show itself. You have to show it. It's like selling a house or something.

If you're selling a house, you have to show it. And then when we did sell the business, we had to show the business to show to the person who ended up buying it why the business was worth the money was to pay for it. So you say, well, I did this, we did this.

We have this online class, we have, you know, we have a huge mailing list, we have, you know, a two year free, you know, marketing sequence, all that kind of stuff. You can't, they're not going to see it if you don't tell them. Yeah, I mean, I hope that the people listening to this podcast are applying what you're saying to their own situation right now.

I find that most gigging musicians don't think about their gigging as a business and yet they have all the same issues that you're talking about where, you know, sure, you have a great product, you play music very well, and when people have a chance to experience it, they love it. Maybe they like your social media. Like you just said, your YouTube videos had great reaction.

So even with all of those things going for you, the, the business is going to fail unless you actually take it out there, market it, promote it, and start to actually sell something with that business.

And for Chicago Elegant Piano, we're selling wedding performances, corporate event performances, private party performances, et cetera. But I guess tell me a bit about the process of creating Chicago Elegant Piano.

You know what, what, what made you decide on that name and who you were going to serve with your music? Well, we, I kind of went back and forth with various names and I just, I just, when I play the various kinds of music that I play with my classical background, even if I'm playing a pop song or I'm playing jazz, it's.

Well, for one thing, when I was learning that people would say, well, you sound too classical. And so that when I would record it and listen back, I realized that what the classical background does is it makes this music sound very beautiful, makes it sound very pretty.

Makes it sound calm and sometimes energized, but it just has a certain elegance to it. Even if it's a Taylor Swift song, it still's got an elegant kind of feel to it because of the nature of how I play and how I've been trained and how I listen to phrases. And the thing is, people really like listening to that kind of music.

The weddings that I've gone to, where people have played instrumental covers, a lot of it sounds. It's current songs, but they sound like they're played by somebody with classical background because of the phrasing and the beauty. And, you know, if you have nice strings behind it or even if you have piano, it's not super edgy.

It's more. And so it just seemed there, but because that's how my sounded. The name worked out and there's.

And the thing is, it just. It also seemed like it would be. You know, I've done the thing with lots of other people, and it just seemed like going out as a solo musician would be way.

The coordination of getting out there, of not having to check five different people's calendars, but just check one person's calendar, it just gives you a certain nimbleness and flexibility. That was going to be better. I mean, I still love playing with other people, but for this business, it seemed to make sense.

And then, of course, I know a lot of string players because I play the violin and I'm a retired orchestra director, so I kind of. A lot of string players in this area play in string quartets, but oftentimes they might be asked to play with just one other musician and somebody who has a keyboard and knows all the violin music is going to be a great person to play with. So it just seemed like it gave me a certain nimbleness in the market.

Yeah, for sure. Well, that's awesome. And then it seems as part of that decision was also, let's play modern music in addition to classics.

You know, was there a particular reason why you said, yes, I'm going to keep my repertoire current and play Pink Pony Club by Chapel Roan, because that's what you. Oh, well, goodness. I was listening to a podcast not all that long ago, and it was.

The person who was being interviewed was somebody who had worked as an opera singer, and then she had later gone on to work in marketing. And between 19. What she was saying was that the symphony orchestras and the opera and all that stuff are waiting for people to come back to the concert halls following Covid, and the audience is not coming Back.

And I've known that when I've gone to the symphony, because I still love that music. And so I've noticed that just anecdotally, there's been a huge drop off in classical music. My students at school, when I was still teaching, told me point blank, yes, I like to play the violin.

I don't like classical music. I was like, okay, well, goodness, that maybe we better find some other music that you do like to play. So that was one of the reasons I got interested in bluegrass and folk, because they did like that.

And then I also. So this woman who was on the podcast, whose name I don't remember, said that between 1983, which is when I graduated from graduate school, and now 2023 was when the podcast aired, the drop off in the number of people who buy tickets for classical concerts has dropped by about 50%. Wow.

50% a lot. Yeah. And can you imagine just losing half of your income overnight? It's crazy.

Yeah. And so it seemed there's no reason that these popular melodies cannot be played with this background. But why be a buggy whip sales be the equivalent of a bugg salesman in 1918 and 2024 by selling music that people are not listening to? I still love classical music.

I still can. Eventually, people, if they like it, they might ask for it. You can still bring it in.

But there's nothing wrong with being broad, and there's nothing wrong with expanding repertoire and taking what you know and applying it in a creative way. Yeah, for sure. Well, that's awesome.

And this dovetails nicely with a recent episode I did here about keeping your repertoire current, which I do believe is the way to expand the amount of gigs that you play and also keep, you know, keep you in the higher echelon of. This is an in demand performer who plays music that everybody in my guests list would. Would love to hear.

Right. Very cool. All right, so you started Chicago Elegant piano, decided to keep the modern, the repertoire modern with some classics thrown in.

You decided on the name. What were kind of the next steps that led you to getting this gig? And let's start there, and then we'll ask about the future afterwards. Well, I've been advertising on some of the various platforms that are available to wedding musicians, and one of them is the Wire and the Knot, which is one company.

And then there's a lot of various places where you can put a profile up for free. This particular gig came from the Bash, which is, you know, I have a profile there. But what happened was the woman had somebody Scheduled for Friday night.

This person backed out at the last minute. She called me Wednesday and said, can you come Friday? So I was like, sure, no problem. But she was looking for somebody that could come in and fill in the.

Fill a niche at the last minute. And I was willing to be nimble and help her. And I also had really wanted to make see how I could get all my equipment in one to my car to a gig and use my new wagon and my dolly cart and all that stuff to get it in and out of my house.

That I have a lot of stairs. I'm up on a hill. There's not a lot of hills in Chicago, but I'm on one of them.

You have to get the keyboard. It's a port digital piano. It's pretty light as digital instruments go.

It's not nearly as light as a violin. So to get it from the house to the car without damaging it, I have a good dolly cart for that and some bungee cords. And I also have the wagon.

Not bumping it down stairs with the wagon. But anyway, I'm able to load everything. And you know, clearly more gigs will help with the load in and load out.

So step one was doing some advertising, I would say also networking is really important. So I found on Facebook some groups for vendors in my area for weddings. And I went.

There was an event that someone invited me to. There was a cocktail hour. So I went and I met a lot of vendors there.

They're not all musicians, but getting to know people, making sure people like you, that kind of thing is a really nice thing because then they can recommend you if one of their clients needs someone at the last minute. And finally. Not finally, one of the other steps is I'm visiting various venues.

I visited one yesterday and I have two to visit tomorrow. So I'm bringing my business. Yeah.

And talking to people. I'm not bringing the piano because it's too hard to bring it in and out. It's just too difficult.

But a name, a face, a handshake, a hello. This is beautiful. Here's where I'd set up kind of thing.

And then following up with an email with a bro with like a little brochure attached and several business cards. I didn't send a YouTube video to the other woman, but I think I will to the two I'm meeting tomorrow. But so.

And then I'm trying going to key. I have. I do have because I had with my ukulele business an email list.

I developed. I have the start of an email list with the email provider and I'm putting these people that I'm meeting into the email list and I'm planning to send newsletters once a month. Not about, oh, aren't I wonderful.

But more about, okay, I learned how to put my stuff on that wagon and I learned such and such new song. And I'm playing, I'm playing a venue here and things are going great. It's really fun.

You know, more upbeat kind of funny stuff. Because people don't. Once they know you, you don't need to really be hard selling.

You just need to make sure you stay in their minds, that's all. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.

That's so, so many really amazing things that you mentioned. And also, I think we have to mention you also launched a brand new website from scratch. Oh yeah.

That took a long time to build that. Yeah. Website ever.

I've built, so it went a little faster. But yeah, I did launch an entire website. I think I created 30, 40 videos on you that are on YouTube that are linked to the site.

I've been getting reviews. A lot of them are from students. You know, like I took a cruise to Hawaii.

I was ukulele teacher on a cruise. So some of the things that people wrote that were on the cruise I was able to use. Even though it's not directly towards Chicago.

Elegant piano, it's still talking about music and joy and community and amusing these, these reviews on the website. So yes, everything can kind of be recycled. You don't want to.

You're not lying about it. You just need to figure out the angle for it. Yeah.

That's awesome. So you've done a lot and I think a lot of musicians kind of get hung up on the fact that they need to do all of these things. Or for example, you said that you went on a couple venue tours this week and you've got more scheduled for today and tomorrow, which is amazing.

When I shared this concept of like visiting a venue and meeting the person there who literally is in a position to recommend you to their clients, a lot of musicians file that information away in the back of their mind and don't do anything with it.

And then they, they stay in the cycle of not having any gigs on their calendar or the lower paying like bar and restaurant gigs. I'm curious, what was it that caused you to like hear that information and actually do the things that I suggested? Well, I'm pretty organized and because I'm a go club member, I do get BookLive.

I'm in that and BookLive has, I mean you show, you showed me because I've done that in coaching. But BookLive has a lot of venues right in my area. And I go into the software and I look and I'm like oh, Michael style red hats.

I went to a bar Mitzvah party there and that's where the hockey dinner was and that's where my kids orchestra thing was and the Lake Forest Academy, I went to a wedding there. And then another one was Chicago Botanic Garden. That's.

I ride my bike there. I mean these are places I've been going to for 30 years. They're right in my neighborhood.

Winneka Community House where I went yesterday. I used to play piano for the unitarian Church there 30 years ago. I know the room they have now have a beautiful addition and a historic garden audition where they do all their weddings and venues that's been added in the past 30 years.

And that's what I got to see. They still have the beautiful pianos that they used to have when I played there 30 years ago. But it's like I see all these places I've been to.

It never occurred to me, oh I could find out who does the events, I could reach out to that person. But the fact it was all in a list and these were places that I knew about and these were places I'd been into and I was like, oh. Because I did it before with the ukulele business.

I reached out to people. People aren't going to know about me if I'm sitting at home. Even if I put my advertising, I need to go out and say hello and greet them and you know, it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to hire me, you know, tomorrow.

But if I, if I keep, you know, if I keep, you know, telling, reminding people that I'm here and smiling and being happy and going to these various things and paying attention when I am out and about. There's a wonderful tea house that's just around the, practically around the corner from me called Madame Ju, which Billy Corgan runs from Smashing Pumpkins and oh wow, they wonderful, wonderful people that come in. I have, I've played an open mic there.

But the first time I went to lunch with some my friends are, is vegan and it's a vegan place. So the first time I went there, I saw the piano on the stage. I was like, oh, I could rent this and you know, but you know, I prefer to be paid to play.

Right. It's a wonderful venue. I can walk there and I live in a I live in a community where there's, there's things around the corner.

We also have the Virginia Festival. I'm not playing there anytime soon. But you know, it's in my neighborhood.

There's lots of musicians, there's music stores. It's just a question of trying to get your pulse on what's going on. And that's what I didn't understand before when I first started doing this was how to do that.

And now I'm starting to understand. And what's different from what I've done before is the ukulele business was worldwide SEO because we were an Amazon business. And so that's really different than local.

So, so for this I'm doing local SEO and one of the classes that I did was an online class on local. I realized, oh, that's why my website, the other website wasn't visible. There were certain things of local SEO that I hadn't done.

So I'm trying to F that and I got it like a Google my business for Chicago. Elegant piano. And so, you know, there's all kind posting on Facebook, posting on Instagram, posting on YouTube, Just remembering to stay current and doing things because that's because it used to be everything was done direct mail and by phone calls.

You know, people call you, they want you to give money to a charitable organization, which is great. But you know, nowadays social media is what advertising, print advertising used to be. Yeah, that's awesome.

And of course, you know, these rabbit holes go extremely deep just so that we don't necessarily overwhelm the beginning gigging musician who treats it as a business. If there was one piece of advice you would give to somebody who has played gigs in the past but is now looking to transition to a higher tier of gigs, or if they haven't gotten gigs recently, they want to get their own gigs. One piece of advice for them to get started.

What would that piece of advice be? Well, first thing, create that a sizzle reel on YouTube. Get a, get a bunch of videos of you performing so that you have something you can send to people. Make it two or three minutes, make it look.

I think that's the first thing. And second, you have to have a website. You own your website, you don't own your social media.

Yeah, very cool. Well, I love it. Jenny, this has been a fantastic interview.

I am very proud of your progress. You have made a ton in a very short amount of time and it's just incredible to see you book your first gig and do all these venue tours. And I know that There are some really big things in store for you in the future.

If somebody wants to learn more about you and Chicago Elegant Piano. Where would you send them? I would send them to my website, which is chicagoelegantpiano.com that is awesome.

Well, thank you so much. Go to Instagram, which is also at chicagoelegantpiano.com Awesome!

Very cool. Well, thank you for all of these amazing insights. Thank you for being a wonderful student and being very coachable and implementing the things that I'm suggesting and also suggesting new things for my program.

I appreciate all of your your contributions to our lovely community and thank you for doing this interview. All right. Awesome.

All right, to our episode. To our listeners, thanks for tuning in to another episode of the Gigging Musician Podcast. If you want to join Jenny in our lovely community, you can actually get a free trial of BookLive at BookLive.com

and then perhaps you'll see Jenny on some of our Friday coaching sessions that are open to all BookLive members because we added a once a week coaching session for anybody who is a member of BookLive. And Jenny comes to those too. And I am very happy to have you and anybody else who wants to come to those.

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Thanks for tuning into another episode of The Gigging Musician Podcast. Remember, "Your music will not market itself!". Bye everybody.